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Dancing Destroyer	One client/server difference that really annoys me		Lead	[-]
Posts: 1748 13-Jul-07 09:37 Revolutionary User	Tags : None is the difference in path-finding. Twice in recent games, my units have taken different routes when turns go through the server and it's had disastrous results. The first time, an AI which was due to have a missile wizz past it, instead moved into the path of the missile. And then, in a very recent turn, a sniper moved into the path of a grenade, headed it back where it then exploded and injured half my marines. Now I know someone's going to suggest that I just plot more way-points, but would it be so hard to make the path-finding the same in the client and the server? EDIT: Spell-checking LSN: Dancing Destroyer Time: GMT Alliance: Cursed Clowns Spec: L.O.G. *Psykers blind. Sentries kill. The rest is a distraction.*
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smart bunny	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#1	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4056 13-Jul-07 09:52 One by one, the penguins take my sanity	*Quote:* a sniper moved into the path of a grenade, headed it back where it then exploded and injured half my marines Tries really hard not to... but can't help laughing!! I normally let units do what they want, but in special situations such as you've described I do always make sure I put in an extra waypoint or 2 to make sure dangers are avoided. (Sorry, I know that's not what you wanted to hear!)
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Disaster Area	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#2	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2416 13-Jul-07 10:52	However I agree, and for some reason it seems worse for Spawn, as they somehow can get 'stuck' on each other or in doorways/ ignore orders to go through broken terrain, yadda yadda. yet what annoys me MORE is the HOS order, it used to be fine, now it's just frikkin bizzare with all this 'special distance' milarky. I want my sniper to see someone 3000 miles away, stop and shoot him, not wait until he is in bayonet range! FFS you would have thought the unit name SNIPER kinda gave away his* use ! *Or her, if you are playing with female marines, as DD probably is, after his Yellow Jerkin experience LSN : Disaster Area
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Astrafiammante	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#3	[url]	[-]
Posts: 710 13-Jul-07 11:16 Registered User	I seem to remember that all Marines except the Medic are specifically referred to as male in the in-game unit descriptions. Although that's not to say that the writer wasn't simply using "his" as a generic pronoun. (edit, The web descriptions, here, are the same. Interesting that the Greys are referred to as "it"s.) I agree entirely about the Spawn movement problems, I've encountered them a lot. There's a peculiar sort of state that units sometimes seem to get into where they start moving really, really slowly, that always winds me up. A Drone or Queen or whatever will start chasing, turn a corner and then move at treacle pace... I'm not sure what causes it. That and the "big units moving through opening industrial doors" hangups, if they're still around. Alliance: Swamp Rats Specialist: The Company RL: Aubergine Clique in Exile "Your style is faulty! Mine is the best!"
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Duke Garland	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#4	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2900 13-Jul-07 12:16 Blutkind	I've only meat this once in a game with Rainman, from his side - he shot his medic only because medic took the wrong path. i always make enough waypoints when plotting. The key is to make sure there would be no "Knight's move" that can be interpreted differently. LSN Name: Duke Garland Alliance: Rock'n'Roll Suicides (captain) Location: Ukraine, GMT+2 Specialist: League of Ordinary Gentlemen (captain) The logic of war seems to be that if a belligerent can fight, he will fight - Rudy R.
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BA Nimzomitch	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#5	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2532 13-Jul-07 13:10	*Quote:* Now I know someone's going to suggest that I just plot more way-points, but would it be so hard to make the path-finding the same in the client and the server? Why don't you just plot more waypoints? Kinda strange you'd leave these knight's moves as DG says up to the server when the consequences for an error are so high. Sounds like a rookie mistake to me. ;-)
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smart bunny	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#6	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4056 13-Jul-07 14:20 One by one, the penguins take my sanity	Ah so now we understand why you lost your game vs Nimz..... obviously next time you'll thrash him as you'll be plotting extra waypoints
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BA Nimzomitch	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#7	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2532 13-Jul-07 14:36	Really - I mean, I am eminently whippable. Just ask DA, he'll be the first to tell you that I'm a pushover and a showboater.
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Dancing Destroyer	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#8	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1748 13-Jul-07 16:35 Revolutionary User	If someone had explained that I'd whip Nimz by plotting extra waypoints earlier, I certainly would've done it! LSN: Dancing Destroyer Time: GMT Alliance: Cursed Clowns Spec: L.O.G. *Psykers blind. Sentries kill. The rest is a distraction.*
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RagmanPD	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#9	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1007 13-Jul-07 16:56 Security Conscious	Nimz appears to have lost the nut....
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rainman999	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#10	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4100 13-Jul-07 16:56 hey hey 16k	...must....not.....get...involved......in...another....argument....on......this.... gahh... i hate it, i hate it.. yes you can put in tons of waypoints, but you shouldnt have to it makes the game less enjoyable. If i want to reload I right click on my base and assume my man will run to it, i could micromanage and plot him waypoints all the way back to the base but luckilly i dont have to. I shouldn't have to do the same just to get a bunch of troops out of a room without them doing the "gentleman's excuse me" and all bottleneck, catch a sniper's bullet or take a grenade onto the chest and volley it back into friendly troops. It is wrong, it is bugged it is annoying.. i have come to terms with it as never being fixed as JG has acknowledged the problem in the past as being a monster to fix. I will never accept people just saying "it's fine just plot more waypoints" though. Maybe it annoys me more because testing is what i do for a living but it does annoy me greatly.
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BA Nimzomitch	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#11	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2532 13-Jul-07 17:06	Sounds like somebody needs to plot more waypoints...
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knowman	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#12	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1191 13-Jul-07 17:13 Forgetful User	I've rarely had units just choose a different path on their own. Usually it's due to some unforeseen influence - an enemy unit appearing if I've got a unit set on Hos, a door I forgot was there closes because the unit next to it gets shot, etc. The only problem I have with the difference is usually with a larger unit which seems like it can maneuver through the terrain on test orders, but just ends up sitting there during the actual turn.
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Jaques Cartier	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#13	[url]	[-]
Posts: 5439 13-Jul-07 17:27 French? Moi?	When I have something I need to b certain of, I plot my orders going in straight linefrom corner to corner, so that my man won't get any funny ideas- LSN: Mr Cartier League:High Elite GMT:+2 - A knight is sworn to valor. His heart knows only virtue. His blade defends the helpless. His might upholds the weak. His word speaks only truth. His wrath undoes the wicked. DTWDoG
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rainman999	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#14	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4100 13-Jul-07 17:49 hey hey 16k	haha yes, the gettiong stuck is also annoying... happens a lot with big mechs.. especially when near a half destroyed door. You really have to make some carefully plotting there again you shouldn't have to. and JC, yes there are always work arounds.. but once more.. all together.. you shouldnt have to! also sometimes what doesn't seem a crucial turn can certainly turn out to be one if one of your men acts the goat
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knowman	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#15	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1191 13-Jul-07 17:57 Forgetful User	Tanks and doors are particularly abysmal. Hate them.
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rainman999	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#16	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4100 13-Jul-07 19:59 hey hey 16k	oh yes.. you plot a move and test orders.. the tank glides effortlessly to its destination... you send the turn in and get it back.. it sits there the whole turn doing nothing
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smart bunny	Re: One client/server difference that really annoys me	#17	[url]	[-]
Posts: 4056 13-Jul-07 20:50 One by one, the penguins take my sanity	@ Rainman's rant I agree, I don't think it's OK that there isn't just a tiny bit more intelligence there which would make the tank think 'Oh, I can't go there, let's just move this way a bit... yep, that's fine now', I'm just saying that I'm used to it by now Has anyone else noticed there's a slight glitch if your unit is right at the edge of a metal corner (happens with small units this time, not large ones)? If the unit was moving at eot and is part-way around the corner and next turn you want him to run around the corner then sometimes you have to plot a point straight and then around the corner, rather than just a point in the distance, as otherwise the unit will get stuck on the diagonal cut-across? This doesn't happen on destructible corners as the units cannot cut diagonally across them, but have to go around anyway.
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General Strike	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#18	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1778 13-Jul-07 21:12	*Quote:* yet what annoys me MORE is the HOS order, it used to be fine, now it's just frikkin bizzare with all this 'special distance' milarky It hasn't changed ever, it is just you have been playing long enough to notice the rare occasions when this matters. Anyway yhere's no need to have a go at MiLaRkY LSN Name: General Strike \| League: Elite \| Alliance Clan: 99ers(Captain) \| Time Zone: GMT Holder of record for shortest time in elite (0 games) One League to rule them all One League whence to find them One League to rate them all Elite to Rookie, Grind them (With apologies to J.R.R.Tolkien)
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Disaster Area	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#19	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2416 13-Jul-07 21:43	LOL, poor ol Milarky, still I officially adopted him at the Meet in Manc many years ago, so he can take it. Is that right re HOS, well it's broken then and needs fixing... LSN : Disaster Area
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Dancing Destroyer	Re: One client/server different that really annoys me	#20	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1748 14-Jul-07 02:35 Revolutionary User	But this is the thing - there doesn't need to be any more intelligence for the AI - it's all there in the client test orders, why isn't it there once things go through the server? I don't understand why everything mentioned here (except perhaps the HoS problem) could not be easily fixed. LSN: Dancing Destroyer Time: GMT Alliance: Cursed Clowns Spec: L.O.G. *Psykers blind. Sentries kill. The rest is a distraction.*
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